🎄 Happy Holidays and Media Update for Messages 🎁 MeetFightersInteressegroepenFree FightNo clothes no shoes and no rules Free Fight Lid worden van deze interessegroepOnderwerpenLedenoverzicht 487Galerij 8No clothes no shoes and no rules Ajboy (5)09.6.2021 9:57 Lets fight! Whoever come to country, chat me Vertalen Groundfighter123 (0 )08.7.2021 5:16 (In antwoord hierop)Let's fight. I can host. Vertalen Musti (5 )28.6.2021 15:36 (In antwoord hierop)Hey there. How are ya? Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )07.7.2021 23:55 (In antwoord hierop)Musti. I want to fight. I host. Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)21.12.2019 2:58 Anyone wanna fight? Stand up and ground fighting. My apartment is available Vertalen Peter sss (5)08.7.2021 8:23 (In antwoord hierop)I'll fight you no problem Vertalen Groundfighter123 (0 )08.7.2021 10:13 (In antwoord hierop)Lets fight Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)18.12.2019 12:57 Who wants to fight me? Stand up and ground fighting Vertalen Musti (5 )28.6.2021 15:36 (In antwoord hierop)I want to fight Vertalen Groundfighter123 (0 )08.7.2021 5:15 (In antwoord hierop)Lets fight. I can host. Vertalen fighting4fun (50 )19.12.2019 2:11 (In antwoord hierop)i will fight you Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)19.12.2019 4:21 (In antwoord hierop)I am up for a good scrap. My apartment is available Vertalen fighting4fun (50 )19.12.2019 23:56 (In antwoord hierop)If I ever visit Kansas I will contact you Vertalen SeattleFight (489)20.12.2019 2:26 (In antwoord hierop)We’d be a good fight Vertalen fitman (28)19.12.2019 4:18 (In antwoord hierop)And I would fight you... Vertalen SeattleFight (489)26.9.2020 23:40 (In antwoord hierop)@fitman I’ve wanted to have it out with you for years. Anytime fucker. Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)19.12.2019 4:22 (In antwoord hierop)Ok cool My apartment is available Vertalen HARD ONE (73)17.12.2019 15:50 From Brazil here. No rules No limits Figt for a top Hard sex An audience Any one? Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )18.12.2019 10:46 (In antwoord hierop)HARD ONE. I live in cadiz city, spain. I wish for do the fight, no rules, no limits. Whatsapp: +34 638 86 34 63 Internstional code: + Spanish code: 34 Number mobile: 638 86 34 63 Get in touch by whatsapp Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )10.6.2021 14:38 (In antwoord hierop)New whatsapp: +34 674 43 88 18 Vertalen fitman (28)18.12.2019 5:12 (In antwoord hierop)Yeah..I would fight you Vertalen SeattleFight (489)18.12.2019 7:12 (In antwoord hierop)Fitman, I’ll fight you any time. Vertalen fitman (28)18.12.2019 7:13 (In antwoord hierop)Would eat ya for breakfast little man Vertalen SeattleFight (489)18.12.2019 7:14 (In antwoord hierop)Bigger than you mate Vertalen fitman (28)18.12.2019 10:33 (In antwoord hierop)You mean bigger mouth that I will shut Vertalen bareskin (3 )18.12.2019 2:00 (In antwoord hierop)Come to Europe bitch Vertalen RuffFightChallenge (77)17.12.2019 20:41 (In antwoord hierop)Am game, but not in Brazil unfortunately Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)16.12.2019 14:31 Looking for a fight with any dude Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)15.12.2019 13:21 Who wants to fight me? Vertalen Dennis88 (5)15.12.2019 22:23 (In antwoord hierop)I wish I could fight you, you look like someone who’ll put up a good fight Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)16.12.2019 5:17 (In antwoord hierop)I can and i am getting stronger Vertalen Dennis88 (5)16.12.2019 7:53 (In antwoord hierop)I can’t, I’m not in America Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)14.12.2019 3:14 Who wants to fight me? Vertalen wi23combat (19)24.6.2021 5:51 (In antwoord hierop)I'd Love to fight you. Vertalen dan9692 (64 )24.6.2021 15:09 (In antwoord hierop)I'll have you gladly Vertalen wi23combat (19)27.6.2021 7:05 (In antwoord hierop)Who are replying to,? me or someone else dan9692? Vertalen dan9692 (64 )27.6.2021 10:17 (In antwoord hierop)I mean if you're game I'll have you as well wi23combat Vertalen wi23combat (19)28.6.2021 23:50 (In antwoord hierop)Love Let's work on trying to meet up Vertalen dan9692 (64 )28.6.2021 23:51 (In antwoord hierop)Deffo, been wanting a good scrap Vertalen SeattleFight (489)29.6.2021 4:59 (In antwoord hierop)@dan9692, gagging to give you that good hot scrap Vertalen dan9692 (64 )07.7.2021 23:39 (In antwoord hierop)ready for you Vertalen Beefyscot (3)28.6.2021 7:19 (In antwoord hierop)You look strong ..... Vertalen SeattleFight (489)27.6.2021 11:13 (In antwoord hierop)You got me to contend with too, @dan9692 Vertalen dan9692 (64 )28.6.2021 16:58 (In antwoord hierop)Gladly man, let's have it!!!!!!! Vertalen FighterV (2)27.6.2021 8:50 (In antwoord hierop)Me too....... Vertalen bareskin (3 )25.6.2021 10:48 (In antwoord hierop)Get here Dan Vertalen FighterV (2)24.6.2021 15:31 (In antwoord hierop)I want to fight you Vertalen dan9692 (64 )24.6.2021 15:32 (In antwoord hierop)Bring it man Vertalen FighterV (2)24.6.2021 5:53 (In antwoord hierop)I want to fight you Vertalen wi23combat (19)24.6.2021 6:19 (In antwoord hierop)Let's do it Bud it'll be a brutal damaging fight. Vertalen FighterV (2)24.6.2021 6:21 (In antwoord hierop)I'm really ready for it Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)13.12.2019 12:44 I wanna fistfight Vertalen Dennis88 (5)13.12.2019 15:13 (In antwoord hierop)And I do as well Vertalen Claretspete (1)15.12.2019 12:40 (In antwoord hierop)Dennis u prick ik fyt u anytime anywhere Vertalen Onyx19 (6)10.12.2019 7:18 Anyone in the uk up for this? Vertalen Claretspete (1)12.12.2019 12:26 (In antwoord hierop)Me v u anytime Vertalen Dennis88 (5)11.12.2019 5:33 (In antwoord hierop)Come on then, let’s do it Vertalen Claretspete (1)12.12.2019 12:26 (In antwoord hierop)Muppet let's go Vertalen bareskin (3 )17.12.2019 5:14 (In antwoord hierop)Pete, Dennis is all talk just a fat cunt Vertalen Onyx19 (6)11.12.2019 15:45 (In antwoord hierop)Anytime tell me when you are free Vertalen Dennis88 (5)20.12.2019 20:42 (In antwoord hierop)Name it, I’ll fight you Vertalen Onyx19 (6)21.12.2019 9:40 (In antwoord hierop)Come to Devon Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)24.6.2019 10:53 Any dude wanna fight? Vertalen dan9692 (64 )19.6.2019 0:58 Bring it on fighters Vertalen Fistfighter136 (1)24.6.2019 10:50 (In antwoord hierop)Wanna fight? Vertalen Tommy32832 (0)15.6.2019 11:37 any fit and experienced fighters up for it in northern NRW / Germany? Vertalen wi23combat (19)12.6.2019 4:37 is this a serious post or a fantasy post sorry just had to ask. Vertalen Brawlerb (9)13.6.2019 12:56 (In antwoord hierop)i'm serious Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )13.6.2019 13:35 (In antwoord hierop)Brawlerb is not serious. Brawlerb is not serious. Brawlerb is not serious. Vertalen Brawlerb (9)14.6.2019 1:32 (In antwoord hierop)Mind your business,man. i'll never meet you . Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )14.6.2019 17:04 (In antwoord hierop)Brawlerb. you like to warm the cocks from men. you are not serious. Vertalen BeachWrestlerSW (6)12.6.2019 14:44 (In antwoord hierop)I’m serious Vertalen BeachWrestlerSW (6)08.6.2019 16:21 Any uk guys up for this? Vertalen Jrugbyguy53 (37)16.12.2018 17:07 Looking for fight action strip down and get it on Vertalen Rocket (3 )23.2.2018 7:05 Sounds fun. Let me know if you keep going into the summer. Vertalen ryosaeba (0)22.8.2017 13:23 I wish there were some asian guys in Hawaii who would be interested in this. Vertalen Dadfights (24)22.7.2017 5:04 too bad we are all so far away, would be fun to have a weekend naked fighting and wrestling meeting! Vertalen Brawlerb (9)19.7.2017 8:13 Wi23combat, i'd fight you this way anytime . Vertalen celticfight (0)21.11.2018 3:32 (In antwoord hierop)yeah...sounds great Vertalen SeattleFight (489)21.11.2018 3:38 (In antwoord hierop)Celtic, I challenge you to fight me like that Vertalen celticfight (0)21.11.2018 4:00 (In antwoord hierop)I accept the challenge. Vertalen wi23combat (19)23.8.2017 3:44 (In antwoord hierop)Bring it love to test each other. Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )19.7.2017 12:29 (In antwoord hierop)Brawlerb, I would like to fight with you. Brawlerb, me gustaria pelear contigo. which styles of fights do you like ? que tipo de pelea te gusta ? I am open to rules abierto a reglas. Vertalen Dadfights (24)09.5.2017 3:48 Love naked, barefoot fighting! Vertalen wi23combat (19)20.11.2018 23:55 (In antwoord hierop)Let's go no rules to out cold KO Vertalen RuffFightChallenge (77)21.11.2018 0:06 (In antwoord hierop)I’m game for that with you! Vertalen ZeeTee (2 )18.7.2017 17:58 (In antwoord hierop)Damn.we are far... Vertalen wrestleros (2)21.2.2017 9:58 Always ready for a nice naked fight. Too bad the distance.... Vertalen SeattleFight (489)22.8.2017 5:25 (In antwoord hierop)I want a hot naked fistfight with you wrestleros Vertalen Seregafighter9112 (3)25.6.2019 9:11 (In antwoord hierop)I wanna fistfight Vertalen FighterV (2)26.7.2019 21:43 (In antwoord hierop)I want fight bare knuckles fistfight Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )25.6.2019 12:08 (In antwoord hierop)Seregafighter9112 I wanna fistfight, no rules, KO-fight, UFC with you. whatsapp: +34 638 86 34 63 international code: + spanish code: 34 number-mobile: 638 86 34 63 Vertalen Musti (5 )07.6.2017 14:16 (In antwoord hierop)Me too.Only the distance is a fuckin problem. Vertalen zlatak (51)12.6.2019 18:50 (In antwoord hierop)hm, I would fight you but you never replied... Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )10.6.2019 14:03 (In antwoord hierop)Musti. I live in Cádiz city, Spain. I would like to f ight with you. do you come to spain on holidays ???? can you host at your home ???? Vertalen zlatak (51)22.7.2017 8:18 (In antwoord hierop)you vs me in September, man Vertalen wi23combat (19)24.7.2017 4:39 (In antwoord hierop)Are you talking to me or someone else And if you are talking to me how and when and where? Vertalen RuffFightChallenge (77)21.8.2017 13:53 (In antwoord hierop)Looking forward to taking on Wi23combat this week! Vertalen wi23combat (19)23.8.2017 4:26 (In antwoord hierop)Same here it will be an honor and a pleasure to fight you Vertalen SeattleFight (489)22.8.2017 5:25 (In antwoord hierop)We will all want to hear about that fight btw Rufffight and wi23combat Vertalen zlatak (51)21.8.2017 6:32 (In antwoord hierop)TO Musti. Sorrz, we are too far :-( Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )30.11.2018 13:55 (In antwoord hierop)zlatak. I would like to fight with you Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )19.7.2017 12:34 (In antwoord hierop)Musti, I would like to fight with you. Vertalen wi23combat (19)07.11.2016 0:51 right up my alley i would fight you. Vertalen CLIPUS (1 )08.11.2016 14:44 (In antwoord hierop)I would like to figtht with you Vertalen combatguy (4)07.11.2016 5:31 (In antwoord hierop)pity you are not closer Vertalen Bigdave315 (0)12.12.2015 16:25 For those who love to fight naked barefoot and nasty as it gets. Vertalen Om een reactie te plaatsen moet je inloggen. Je moet inloggen om een nieuw onderwerp te beginnen.
Ajboy (5)
09.6.2021 9:57Lets fight! Whoever come to country, chat me
Groundfighter123 (0 )
08.7.2021 5:16(In antwoord hierop)
Let's fight. I can host.
Musti (5 )
28.6.2021 15:36(In antwoord hierop)
Hey there. How are ya?
CLIPUS (1 )
07.7.2021 23:55(In antwoord hierop)
Musti.
I want to fight.
I host.
Fistfighter136 (1)
21.12.2019 2:58Anyone wanna fight? Stand up and ground fighting. My apartment is available
Peter sss (5)
08.7.2021 8:23(In antwoord hierop)
I'll fight you no problem
Groundfighter123 (0 )
08.7.2021 10:13(In antwoord hierop)
Lets fight
Fistfighter136 (1)
18.12.2019 12:57Who wants to fight me? Stand up and ground fighting
Musti (5 )
28.6.2021 15:36(In antwoord hierop)
I want to fight
Groundfighter123 (0 )
08.7.2021 5:15(In antwoord hierop)
Lets fight. I can host.
fighting4fun (50 )
19.12.2019 2:11(In antwoord hierop)
i will fight you
Fistfighter136 (1)
19.12.2019 4:21(In antwoord hierop)
I am up for a good scrap. My apartment is available
fighting4fun (50 )
19.12.2019 23:56(In antwoord hierop)
If I ever visit Kansas I will contact you
SeattleFight (489)
20.12.2019 2:26(In antwoord hierop)
We’d be a good fight
fitman (28)
19.12.2019 4:18(In antwoord hierop)
And I would fight you...
SeattleFight (489)
26.9.2020 23:40(In antwoord hierop)
@fitman I’ve wanted to have it out with you for years. Anytime fucker.
Fistfighter136 (1)
19.12.2019 4:22(In antwoord hierop)
Ok cool My apartment is available
HARD ONE (73)
17.12.2019 15:50From Brazil here.
No rules
No limits
Figt for a top
Hard sex
An audience
Any one?
CLIPUS (1 )
18.12.2019 10:46(In antwoord hierop)
HARD ONE.
I live in cadiz city, spain.
I wish for do the fight, no rules, no limits.
Whatsapp: +34 638 86 34 63
Internstional code: +
Spanish code: 34
Number mobile: 638 86 34 63
Get in touch by whatsapp
CLIPUS (1 )
10.6.2021 14:38(In antwoord hierop)
New whatsapp:
+34 674 43 88 18
fitman (28)
18.12.2019 5:12(In antwoord hierop)
Yeah..I would fight you
SeattleFight (489)
18.12.2019 7:12(In antwoord hierop)
Fitman, I’ll fight you any time.
fitman (28)
18.12.2019 7:13(In antwoord hierop)
Would eat ya for breakfast little man
SeattleFight (489)
18.12.2019 7:14(In antwoord hierop)
Bigger than you mate
fitman (28)
18.12.2019 10:33(In antwoord hierop)
You mean bigger mouth that I will shut
bareskin (3 )
18.12.2019 2:00(In antwoord hierop)
Come to Europe bitch
RuffFightChallenge (77)
17.12.2019 20:41(In antwoord hierop)
Am game, but not in Brazil unfortunately
Fistfighter136 (1)
16.12.2019 14:31Looking for a fight with any dude
Fistfighter136 (1)
15.12.2019 13:21Who wants to fight me?
Dennis88 (5)
15.12.2019 22:23(In antwoord hierop)
I wish I could fight you, you look like someone who’ll put up a good fight
Fistfighter136 (1)
16.12.2019 5:17(In antwoord hierop)
I can and i am getting stronger
Dennis88 (5)
16.12.2019 7:53(In antwoord hierop)
I can’t, I’m not in America
Fistfighter136 (1)
14.12.2019 3:14Who wants to fight me?
wi23combat (19)
24.6.2021 5:51(In antwoord hierop)
I'd Love to fight you.
dan9692 (64 )
24.6.2021 15:09(In antwoord hierop)
I'll have you gladly
wi23combat (19)
27.6.2021 7:05(In antwoord hierop)
Who are replying to,? me or someone else dan9692?
dan9692 (64 )
27.6.2021 10:17(In antwoord hierop)
I mean if you're game I'll have you as well wi23combat
wi23combat (19)
28.6.2021 23:50(In antwoord hierop)
Love
Let's work on trying to meet up
dan9692 (64 )
28.6.2021 23:51(In antwoord hierop)
Deffo, been wanting a good scrap
SeattleFight (489)
29.6.2021 4:59(In antwoord hierop)
@dan9692, gagging to give you that good hot scrap
dan9692 (64 )
07.7.2021 23:39(In antwoord hierop)
ready for you
Beefyscot (3)
28.6.2021 7:19(In antwoord hierop)
You look strong .....
SeattleFight (489)
27.6.2021 11:13(In antwoord hierop)
You got me to contend with too, @dan9692
dan9692 (64 )
28.6.2021 16:58(In antwoord hierop)
Gladly man, let's have it!!!!!!!
FighterV (2)
27.6.2021 8:50(In antwoord hierop)
Me too.......
bareskin (3 )
25.6.2021 10:48(In antwoord hierop)
Get here Dan
FighterV (2)
24.6.2021 15:31(In antwoord hierop)
I want to fight you
dan9692 (64 )
24.6.2021 15:32(In antwoord hierop)
Bring it man
FighterV (2)
24.6.2021 5:53(In antwoord hierop)
I want to fight you
wi23combat (19)
24.6.2021 6:19(In antwoord hierop)
Let's do it Bud it'll be a brutal damaging fight.
FighterV (2)
24.6.2021 6:21(In antwoord hierop)
I'm really ready for it
Fistfighter136 (1)
13.12.2019 12:44I wanna fistfight
Dennis88 (5)
13.12.2019 15:13(In antwoord hierop)
And I do as well
Claretspete (1)
15.12.2019 12:40(In antwoord hierop)
Dennis u prick ik fyt u anytime anywhere
Onyx19 (6)
10.12.2019 7:18Anyone in the uk up for this?
Claretspete (1)
12.12.2019 12:26(In antwoord hierop)
Me v u anytime
Dennis88 (5)
11.12.2019 5:33(In antwoord hierop)
Come on then, let’s do it
Claretspete (1)
12.12.2019 12:26(In antwoord hierop)
Muppet let's go
bareskin (3 )
17.12.2019 5:14(In antwoord hierop)
Pete, Dennis is all talk just a fat cunt
Onyx19 (6)
11.12.2019 15:45(In antwoord hierop)
Anytime tell me when you are free
Dennis88 (5)
20.12.2019 20:42(In antwoord hierop)
Name it, I’ll fight you
Onyx19 (6)
21.12.2019 9:40(In antwoord hierop)
Come to Devon
Fistfighter136 (1)
24.6.2019 10:53Any dude wanna fight?
dan9692 (64 )
19.6.2019 0:58Bring it on fighters
Fistfighter136 (1)
24.6.2019 10:50(In antwoord hierop)
Wanna fight?
Tommy32832 (0)
15.6.2019 11:37any fit and experienced fighters up for it in northern NRW / Germany?
wi23combat (19)
12.6.2019 4:37is this a serious post or a fantasy post sorry just had to ask.
Brawlerb (9)
13.6.2019 12:56(In antwoord hierop)
i'm serious
CLIPUS (1 )
13.6.2019 13:35(In antwoord hierop)
Brawlerb is not serious.
Brawlerb is not serious.
Brawlerb is not serious.
Brawlerb (9)
14.6.2019 1:32(In antwoord hierop)
Mind your business,man.
i'll never meet you .
CLIPUS (1 )
14.6.2019 17:04(In antwoord hierop)
Brawlerb.
you like to warm the cocks from men.
you are not serious.
BeachWrestlerSW (6)
12.6.2019 14:44(In antwoord hierop)
I’m serious
BeachWrestlerSW (6)
08.6.2019 16:21Any uk guys up for this?
Jrugbyguy53 (37)
16.12.2018 17:07Looking for fight action strip down and get it on
Rocket (3 )
23.2.2018 7:05Sounds fun.
Let me know if you keep going into the summer.
ryosaeba (0)
22.8.2017 13:23I wish there were some asian guys in Hawaii who would be interested in this.
Dadfights (24)
22.7.2017 5:04too bad we are all so far away, would be fun to have a weekend naked fighting and wrestling meeting!
Brawlerb (9)
19.7.2017 8:13Wi23combat, i'd fight you this way anytime .
celticfight (0)
21.11.2018 3:32(In antwoord hierop)
yeah...sounds great
SeattleFight (489)
21.11.2018 3:38(In antwoord hierop)
Celtic, I challenge you to fight me like that
celticfight (0)
21.11.2018 4:00(In antwoord hierop)
I accept the challenge.
wi23combat (19)
23.8.2017 3:44(In antwoord hierop)
Bring it love to test each other.
CLIPUS (1 )
19.7.2017 12:29(In antwoord hierop)
Brawlerb, I would like to fight with you.
Brawlerb, me gustaria pelear contigo.
which styles of fights do you like ?
que tipo de pelea te gusta ?
I am open to rules
abierto a reglas.
Dadfights (24)
09.5.2017 3:48Love naked, barefoot fighting!
wi23combat (19)
20.11.2018 23:55(In antwoord hierop)
Let's go no rules to out cold KO
RuffFightChallenge (77)
21.11.2018 0:06(In antwoord hierop)
I’m game for that with you!
ZeeTee (2 )
18.7.2017 17:58(In antwoord hierop)
Damn.we are far...
wrestleros (2)
21.2.2017 9:58Always ready for a nice naked fight. Too bad the distance....
SeattleFight (489)
22.8.2017 5:25(In antwoord hierop)
I want a hot naked fistfight with you wrestleros
Seregafighter9112 (3)
25.6.2019 9:11(In antwoord hierop)
I wanna fistfight
FighterV (2)
26.7.2019 21:43(In antwoord hierop)
I want fight bare knuckles fistfight
CLIPUS (1 )
25.6.2019 12:08(In antwoord hierop)
Seregafighter9112
I wanna fistfight, no rules, KO-fight, UFC with you.
whatsapp: +34 638 86 34 63
international code: +
spanish code: 34
number-mobile: 638 86 34 63
Musti (5 )
07.6.2017 14:16(In antwoord hierop)
Me too.Only the distance is a fuckin problem.
zlatak (51)
12.6.2019 18:50(In antwoord hierop)
hm, I would fight you but you never replied...
CLIPUS (1 )
10.6.2019 14:03(In antwoord hierop)
Musti.
I live in Cádiz city, Spain.
I would like to f ight with you.
do you come to spain on holidays ????
can you host at your home ????
zlatak (51)
22.7.2017 8:18(In antwoord hierop)
you vs me in September, man
wi23combat (19)
24.7.2017 4:39(In antwoord hierop)
Are you talking to me or someone else
And if you are talking to me how and when and where?
RuffFightChallenge (77)
21.8.2017 13:53(In antwoord hierop)
Looking forward to taking on Wi23combat this week!
wi23combat (19)
23.8.2017 4:26(In antwoord hierop)
Same here it will be an honor and a pleasure to fight you
SeattleFight (489)
22.8.2017 5:25(In antwoord hierop)
We will all want to hear about that fight btw Rufffight and wi23combat
zlatak (51)
21.8.2017 6:32(In antwoord hierop)
TO Musti.
Sorrz, we are too far :-(
CLIPUS (1 )
30.11.2018 13:55(In antwoord hierop)
zlatak.
I would like to fight with you
CLIPUS (1 )
19.7.2017 12:34(In antwoord hierop)
Musti, I would like to fight with you.
wi23combat (19)
07.11.2016 0:51right up my alley i would fight you.
CLIPUS (1 )
08.11.2016 14:44(In antwoord hierop)
I would like to figtht with you
combatguy (4)
07.11.2016 5:31(In antwoord hierop)
pity you are not closer
Bigdave315 (0)
12.12.2015 16:25For those who love to fight naked barefoot and nasty as it gets.